What's up, Patrons. I sat down with my buddy, Spencer Wirth-Davis (The What If? Podcast) to talk about David Grusch's appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience. From one man's martyrdom, to a talk about muscle cars and A.I., episode 2065 of the JRE will leave you annoyed as hell and wondering what you just listened to. Don't worry, Spencer and I have got you. From talks about alien life, to talks about muscle cars, orangutans using sticks and AI, this conversation leaves no stone unturned, dives into the "white wing" of ufology, and goes places you don't even see coming.