In this episode (originally aired on 6/5/24), I sit down with Eve Rodsky, creator, founder, and author of Fair Play: a life-management and household organization system. Eve and I discuss her feminist upbringing and how her experiences in the corporate world were inhospitable to motherhood, how she created the Fair Play system and why a “blueberry text” from her husband was the catalyst, and why it’s essential to change from the reactive to the systematic when implementing change. Eve talks about the burden of invisible work that women so often take upon themselves in the home, she explains how the Fair Play cards work, and we discuss listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load. Finally, we talk about why it’s so hard to have these conversations with our partners, what defines a “unicorn space” versus other types of fun, and why it is essential for our happiness and longevity to create “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments in our lives.Key Takeaway / Points:Why I recommend Eve’s method to anyone who will listenOn “Fair Play,” Eve’s life-management and household organization methodEve’s upbringing in a post-70s feminist waveEve’s experience as a young mother in the corporate worldWhy America isn’t designed to support mothersOn the goal of being consistently interested in your own lifeWhy “hobbies” are not serving usThe “blueberry text” that led to Eve creating the Fair Play systemOn changing from the reactive to the systematicOn invisible work and “The Shit I Do” spreadsheetA deep dive into how the Fair Play cards workListener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental loadWhy it’s so difficult to have these conversationsWhy society views women’s time as infiniteOn the sanctity of “unicorn space”On creating “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments for yourselfStream the Fair Play documentary on Hulu HERERead Fair Play HEREBuy the Fair Play card deck HEREWatch this episode on YouTube HEREFollow Eve:Instagram: @fairplaylifeWebsite: www.fairplaylife.comFollow me:Instagram: @cameronoaksrogers and @conversations_with_camSubstack: Fill Your CupWebsite: cameronoaksrogers.comTikTok: @cameronoaksrogers and @conversations_with_camYoutube: Cameron Rogers