Haley Glover, Senior Director of UpSkill America at the Aspen Institute, is on a mission to build a world where skills—not degrees or pedigrees—are the primary currency of career opportunity.In this expansive conversation, she challenges organizations to think bigger, arguing that investing in frontline workers isn't just a corporate responsibility but a societal imperative that strengthens communities and economies alike.Glover shares her vision for a future where "all learning counts," and individuals own their skills data, freeing it from the silos of employers and academic institutions.Listen in for a dose of realistic optimism on one of the most complex—and human—challenges in the world of work today.You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...[00:00] Intro.[03:34] Why skills are a societal issue, not just a corporate one.[13:31] Building a realistic ROI case for skills investments.[19:32] The "All Learning Counts" vision for skills recognition.[24:01] Why the next decade of skills innovation will be "messy."[27:56] The cultural blockades preventing a skills-first hiring revolution.[36:11] The evolving role and responsibility of the employer.[42:25] A real-world example of a company getting it right.Resources & People MentionedUpSkill America at the Aspen InstituteJames By Percival EverettThe Brothers K by David James DuncanConnect with Haley GloverHaley Glover on LinkedIn Connect With Red Thread ResearchWebsite: Red Thread ResearchOn LinkedInOn FacebookOn TwitterSubscribe to WORKPLACE STORIES