Lena Waithe sits down with Detavio Samuels for a real conversation. She talks about growing up in Chicago and what led her to become a writer. Lena gets into the tough, "bloody process" of finding her own creative voice. They discuss what it means to evolve and why it can be painful. She explains her idea of being a "glitch in the matrix" by defying society's rules to be free. Lena also shares the personal costs of that freedom, like loneliness. This episode gives you a look into how she thinks about her life and her art.