Animal trainer Ken Ramirez has worked with dozens of species living in zoos and the wild.  In part 2 of our conversation, Ken describes his years long effort to use behavioral science to teach a large herd of wild African elephants to avoid a centuries-old migratory route through a conflict zone.  It's a hopeful example of  the growing role for modern training methods in wildlife conservation and preservation. Plus, Ken has a new book unlike any he's written before entitled, The Eye of the Trainer: Animal Training, Transformation, and Trust. Clicker Training Animal Care Software Zoo Logic Podcast FB Peppermint Narwhal