In conversation with Roger Duncan. Roger, M.Sc., UKCP is a registered Systemic Family Therapist, Systemic supervisor, and author. He originally studied biology and later trained as a Waldorf teacher, and Wilderness rites of passage guide with The School of Lost Borders before becoming a Systemic Family Therapist. He was one of the pioneer tutors of the Ruskin Mill Education Trust where he was involved in the development of innovative therapeutic education programs for adolescents with complex and challenging behaviour in the woodlands and wilderness settings and had a leadership role in senior management.