Curt Jaimungal talks with Michael Levin and Karl Friston about how the free energy principle and entropy shape self-organization and our perception of reality. They explore creativity, aging, the nature of selfhood, and the constructive role of science in biology and psychology.- 00:00 - Introduction- 3:43 - The Free Energy Principle Explained- 5:41 - Creativity and Adaptive Utilization- 11:56 - In-Painting vs. Out-Painting- 15:33 - The Unreliable Medium of Biology- 20:05 - Aging: Noise or Psychological?- 25:25 - The Nature of Selfhood- 45:10 - Distinctions in Organic and Psychological Disease- 48:54 - Goal-Directed Systems and Aging- 52:32 - The Dynamics of Life and Death- 55:49 - Continuous Self in a Changing Form- 1:01:35 - The Constructive Nature of Science- 1:08:02 - Inferring Actions and Counterfactuals- 1:11:40 - Closing Thoughts and Future ConversationsSPONSORS:- The Economist: special 20% off discount – https://www.economist.com/toe- Patreon: Support TOE – https://patreon.com/curtjaimungalRESOURCES:- Michael's website: https://thoughtforms.life/- Karl's publications: https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~karl/- Michael's previous appearance on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aLhkm6QUgA- Karl's previous appearance on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk4NZorRjCo- Michael on Anthrobots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6GIzNM0aM- Michael's paper on stress sharing as cognitive glue for collective intelligences: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X2400932X?ref=pdf_download&fr=RR-2&rr=911840d57c51eace- Karl and Michael with Chris Fields on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6eJ44Jq_pw- Karl Friston on the 'Free Energy Principle' on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v7LBABwZKA- Michael's recent paper with Chris Fields: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064525000089?dgcid=coauthor- Top-down models in biology (paper): https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/epdf/10.1098/rsif.2016.0555- Geoffrey Hinton on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_DUft-BdIE- Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com- Listen on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/SpotifyTOE- Become a YouTube Member (Early Access Videos): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices