Today, we’re sharing something a little different. Michael was recently a guest on the Lovelink podcast, hosted by Brooklyn-based therapists Dr. Signe Simon and Dr. Simone Humphrey. Their show has featured many prominent guests, and in this episode, they sit down with Michael to explore the differences between coaching and therapy, Michael’s journey from Goldman Sachs to Upbuild, the tension between ego and success, and the role of spirituality in coaching. We’re excited to share their conversation with you.Links The Call to Awaken. Our flagship program on spirituality. Starts March, 2026. Open for registration. Limited spots available. Enneagram Library Live: Join our bi-weekly conversations and teachings on the Enneagram to help you see yourself, others, and the human condition more clearly. Thursdays at 6pm ET on Zoom. Upbuild Coaching Certification Training. Starts in October. Upbuild Website Instagram: @upbuildnycFacebook: UpbuildLinkedIn: Upbuild