In this week's episode of Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking, Kirsten talks with Kristen Nielsen Donnelly about the connection between nervousness and a speaker’s responsibility to their audience. Hear how the idea of a sandbox helps Kristen be more flexible onstage.Our favorite moments:(02:45) If you’re not nervous before public speaking, you don’t recognize your responsibility in the moment(03:19) The audience’s attention is a non-renewable resource(07:13) Conversations about profit are different from conversations about revenue and earning a living(08:00) Appropriate revenue to live on is limited by your own ethic(09:52) Speaking is about connecting with people’s humanity(12:04) For Kristen, the idea of calling invokes more an idea of service, less of performance(15:24) Kirsten respects showmanship, but has to know what’s underneath  (19:49) Strict pedagogy needs to marry showmanship(21:41) You can improvise all you want to inside your sandbox(23:34) The nerves should stay, but the post-analysis does have to be as painful as it might be for you now If you enjoyed this conversation about the entrepreneurial journey, check out Season 1, Episode 5, our conversation managing your energy while speaking onstage. The link is in the show notes.Rourke Training’s webpage: https://www.rourketraining.com/Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking page: https://ongoing-mastery.captivate.fm/RSS feed: https://feeds.captivate.fm/ongoing-mastery/Read a transcript of this episode:  https://share.descript.com/view/DgNFjBq2Do0For the video version of this episode: https://youtu.be/26WidZf4pFYS1 Ep5 | Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking - How Do Speakers Manage Their Energy?National Speakers AssociationTony Robbins - The Official Website of Tony RobbinsJoel Osteen Hugh Jackman's tour: The Man. The Music. The Show. "The Music Man" Tickets 2023/2024 | Hugh JackmanCorporate Training For Employee Engagement And Retention - Abbey ResearchThe Culture of Burnout - Abbey ResearchKirsten's TEDx talk, "The Art of Communicating Effectively for Hybrid and Online Work"Dean Hankey, The DEAN of Success! – VIP, 'Care-Is-Magic' Marketing Magician & People Pro!Home | Innovation WomenLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirstenrourke/Looking for a kick-ass speaking group? Use our affiliate link to join Innovation Women: https://bit.ly/innovationwomen