In this episode, Craig sits down with John and Johnny—two Ohio fence company owners who started together, went separate ways, and built successful businesses side by side. They talk real numbers, real mistakes, and real growth: backlog vs. pricing, in-house crews vs. subs, surviving wet Midwest seasons, and how local fence companies can compete with national franchises without losing quality or culture. From community involvement and leadership to sustainability, team building, and the future of the fence industry, this is an honest, no-fluff conversation every fence contractor should hear.