We can't tackle the climate emergency without some level of government regulation. Those regulations don't work unless they are enforced. But enforcement isn't happening, not very widely anyway. To understand how and why environmental protections are not being enforced in both the U.S. and the U.K., we talk with Eleanor Godwin, the researcher who compiled and published this information. Eleanor gives clear data to help us see how the U.S. and U.K. leave polluters to regulate themselves. Environmental regulation has declined into helpless and almost meaningless inadequacy.