Today’s episode is with an old friend, Elizabeth Tubergen, who also created the 2021 Public Art Commission Soft Wait. The conversation dove into the sources of inspiration for the work, Tubergen's relationship with Long Island Sound, and the emergence of Soft Wait as a form of radical flatness. She also discusses her work, home renovations, and the brilliance of the late Ursula K. Le Guin. This one isn’t to be missed!