We discussed: - Art Schools - student loans - unpaid internships - arts writing - art grants - art vocabulary - deinstitutionalisation - her desire to remove spectacle from Art - expectations - racism in the arts       People + Places mentioned: The Independent Study Program (ISP) at the Whitney Museum of American Art - https://whitney.org/collection/research/isp Hverfisgallerí - https://hverfisgalleri.is       https://www.dariasol.com https://www.instagram.com/dariasol_     Audio editing by Jakub Černý Music by Peat Biby     Supported in part by: EEA Grants from Iceland, Liechtenstein + Norway – https://eeagrants.org               And we appreciate the assistance of our partners in this project: Hunt Kastner – https://huntkastner.com + Kunstsentrene i Norge – https://www.kunstsentrene.no