Sheila Hardy: Preserving the Legacy of Bert Hardy and Grove HardyIn 2007, as the long-running photographic lab Grove Hardy prepared to close after nearly fifty years in business, Martin Reed—owner of photographic supplier Silverprint—recorded a rare and insightful interview with Sheila Hardy, widow of Picture Post photographer Bert Hardy. Joined by his wife Janice and Grove Hardy’s last printer, Charles Keeble, Martin captured a vital piece of photographic history as the lab faced closure following Keeble’s retirement.Grove Hardy had been a cornerstone of London’s post-war photo scene, founded in the late 1950s by Bert Hardy and master printer Gerry Grove. This interview offers a unique glimpse into the legacy of both the lab and the Hardy archive. The recording was passed to me in 2024 by photographer Geoff Howard, a long-time Grove Hardy customer, who had originally received it from Martin Reed in 2008. It remains a valuable document of a time, a place, and the quiet winding-down of a great photographic institution.Below are some reference notes with times from the interview which may help the listener understand some of the interviews context:2007 interview by Martin Reed and Sheila Hardy, Charles Keeble3.55 start talking about “that book” - this is the Bert Hardy autobiography, published by GordonFraser in 19856.40 Sheila starts talking about the picture of the Queen’s visit to the Paris Opera, made fromjoining pictures from 15 negatives. In the book, this is discussed on p171-173, and the key andexplanation is at the end of the book under “Technical Notes”12.52 Patrick Ward, photographer13.15 talking about the film “Blow Up”; Don McCullin did the “doss-house” pictures at thebeginning of the film16.55 Edith Kaye - did she print for Lord Snowden?18.03 she worked for Wallace Heaton. They were in business as a photographic supplier 1917 -1972, when taken over by Dixons. They had a Royal Warrant, as suppliers to the Queen, etc.21.06 Alex Lowe, photographer22.58 “Sharon at our place” - Martin is talking about Sharon Easterling, a printer at DowntownDarkroom, which was above the Silverprint trade-counter. Downtown started at Mount Pleasant(next door to Process Supplies), by Mike Spry and Vic Hemmings. At 26.31 timing ”Sharon wasnever interested in photographing”26.01 “Gerry died in 1982” - is this correct? I thought it was in the 1970s29.06 “no grades, very very thin” paper - is this the “Air-Mail weight paper, introduced to reduceweight of air-mail letter enclosures?30.16 “check the number of sheets used”; this certainly happened as a check for Purchase Tax;how many sheets of paper did you buy, and how many have you invoiced for? The inspectorsdidn’t realise that there was wastage, as not every print made was correct ... I was asked aboutthis in 197131.04 using bulk film, loading film into metal cassettes, eg Leica, Contax. Check when Kodakstarted to sell already-loaded cassettes; I think pre-war32.13 Bunker Hunt, American, tried to corner the world silver market c1979 - 1985; price of filmrocketed; he ultimately failed and was bankrupted36.48 Paul Knights, printer at Grove Hardy. Printed my Japanese exhibition in 1991. He wantedto be a photographer, and left to travel, went to Thailand37.45 Charles is mis-remembering about me and Homer Sykes. Also, Homer younger thanPatrick Ward, not same generation40.20 Kurt Hutton, German photographer, refugee from Nazis; original staff at Picture Post. WifeGretel printed his work44.56 R G Lewis did check every camera above a certain price; they shot a short length of film,and Mr Mason (editor of Amateur Photographer magazine) checked it with a microscope; Ibought my first serious camera there (a Konica S2) and still have the negatives, delivered in thebox with the camera49.43 Gene Smith’s funeral picture? Really?52.05 Sally Soames, photographer, worked for The Sunday Times 1937 - 201952.49 Marketa Luskacova, Czech photographer “used to drive us crazy, great photographer, buta difficult person”58.48 Charles talking of photographer “Mahler”?, photographing in a street in Chelsea - is hethinking of Roger Mayne, photographing in Notting Hill1.00.08 “Godfrey” is photographer Godfrey Thurston Hopkins; his friends knew him as Godfrey1.01.40 Prince Phillip dancing with Ava Gardner at a cabaret; Bert only photographer “thenegatives had to be destroyed”. Now there’s a story ...1.06.35 The “Strand” cigarette advertisement was shot in 19591.09.31 the Arts Council books, published by Gordon Fraser in 1977 were a series ofphotographic monographs; Bert Hardy, George Rodger, Thurston Hopkins, Bill Brandt; a secondseries consisted of Roger Fenton, P H Emerson and Frank Sutcliffe1.11.58 “the enlargers” refers to the 2 Leitz enlargers from the Grove Hardy / Bert HardyDarkroom, gifted to Martin Reed in 2007Bert Hardy The late Bert Hardy was a London-born photographer Bert Hardy (1913-1995, UK) was a seminal English documentary and press photographer known for his work as chief photographer for Picture Post magazine. Born into a working class family in Blackfriars, Hardy worked his way up from a lab assistant to become a photographer. His street photography, most famously a photo of two boys off on a lark in Gorbals, reflects his sincere interest in people’s lives. On assignment he travelled widely as a photojournalist and captured significant events and personalities of the day. Three of his photographs were part of Edward Steichen’s groundbreaking exhibitionThe Family of Man at MoMA in 1955. Today his work is part of major UK and International collections. (Source: The Photographer Gallery)Obituary - The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/mar/10/bert-hardy-obituary-fleet-streetWikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_HardyThePhotographer Gallery: https://thephotographersgallery.org.uk/whats-on/bert-hardy-photojournalism-war-and-peaceGetty: https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/search/2/image?family=editorial&phrase=bert%20hardy%20&sort=bestCardiff University: https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/community/our-local-community-projects/innovation-for-all/2023-projects/bert-hardy-archive-opening-up-a-photojournalist-collection-to-communities,-culture-and-new-partnershipsGrove Hardy Getty: https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/search/2/image?family=editorial&phrase=Bert%20Hardy%27s%20DarkroomBritish Photo History: https://britishphotohistory.ning.com/profiles/blogs/meeting-and-photographing-picture-post-s-bert-hardy-researchedCamera is onX: https://twitter.com/Camerasnaps ​YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Camerasnaps/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/camera_books/​ Merch: http://camera.myspreadshop.co.uk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camera.proje...Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0I5BX44...Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ed3... 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